| The
Social Spirituality
Movement in India
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recently traveled to India where I met Sunil
Sardar. Sunil leads Truth Seekers Society, a group that
seeks to serve and uplift the repressed castes of India
known as the Dalits.
He asked me to join him at a local Dalit social/political
street celebration in honor of a 16th Century Hindu reformer
named Ravidas. Tens of thousands of people marched by the
platform (I was the only available token white guy, so they
put me front and center). This turned out to be one the
most meaningful spiritual learning experiences of my life.
Sunil is married to Pam, they have 4 children. They will
be traveling and speaking in the US the next few months. |

Jim...the
lost years |
What were you doing
prior to starting the Truth Seekers Society?
We spent 10 years in church planting work in Maharashtra
(central India). Our ministry was called Din Bandhu which
means "Friend of the Poor". Several hundred churches
were planted representing 40 different caste groups who
had no church before. My brother is now leading this work,
and it continues to flourish.
A social reformer named Phule
founded Truth Seekers in the early 19th Century, tell us
about him? What did he do that was different from other
reformers in India’s history?
This country worships idols. They also worship heroes.
I was looking for a model which would be safe for any caste
group to be able to worship Jesus Christ without having
the baggage of organized religion. Phule is that role model.
He was salt and light and pointed the way to Christ for
this nation. He found Christ in this culture and pointed
towards him which was residing in the name of Bali
Raja (the King who sacrificed), Yeshuwant (victor over
death), and Yeshua (Jesus). He never became part of organized
religion, but followed Christ throughout his life along
with his family, and modeled His example and stood boldly
with Christians and missionaries in their times of persecution.
He also clearly identified the enemy of the Gospel, which
still resides in this country... the false religion of Brahminism
which has its roots in discrimination from birth to death.
The religion of Brahminism perpetuates and glorifies lying,
cheating, and adultery.
Why not simply go out
and "preach the gospel" and forget all the social
activism stuff? Other preachers stay away from those kinds
of activities?
The gospel is the person of Jesus Christ. You
cannot exclude any part of human life...the Gospel transcends
all areas...social, political, economical, educational,
etc and spiritual. If someone is a follower of Christ, he
has to stand for the poor, oppressed, widows, orphans, and
those who have no voice of their own. That is the model
Jesus gave us.
Christian leaders who separate the sacred from the secular
do not understand. They are looking for an excuse to stay
away from a 'dirty job' in the name of holiness and piety.
They also are afraid of the risk involved in living this
kind of lifestyle. They fear the unknown, and it is safer
to surround yourself with people like yourself, other believers.
They are afraid of the exploration of unknown territory
because they don't have all the answers. They want to look
like they know, and in addition, this kind of lifestyle
is not taught in the seminaries. It has to be lived. Jesus
is the most creative, risk taking Redeemer, so I believe
Christians should be the most creative people on earth...even
in their presentation of the Gospel. He has made us free
so that we can enjoy freedom in creativity.
Who are the Dalits? Do
they remind you of any groups in the states?
The Dalits
of India are the Untouchables or Outcastes of society; they
are not even worthy (according to Brahmin scripture) to
be a part of the human society. In fact, they are lower
than the animals. I guess we could equate them with blacks
who were enslaved before the Civil War, or perhaps Mexican
immigrants who come only as laborers. People who are absolutely
discriminated against by society...people enslaved by addictions.
Who are the Brahmins?
Which socio-economic group in the states do they most closely
resemble?
Brahmins are self proclaimed priests of the nation. They
are upper caste and upper class. Everyone else (according
to their scriptures) exists to serve them. One can become
Brahmin only after 84 million life cycles. They are the
most proud people on the face of the earth. They call themselves
'god on earth' (bhudeo). It reminds me of the white supremacist
groups in the States. Or perhaps the white upper class Republican
evangelicals who have the mindset that they know and have
all the answers.
Tell us a little about
Ambedkar and why the Dalits identify more closely with him
than they do with Gandhi?
Ambedkar
is one among them; Gandhi
is not. Ambedkar fought for their rights and exposed the
cause of their slavery and publicly renounced Brahminical
Hinduism. The way he lived his life reflected what he spoke.
He walked his talk. Gandhi gave a false name to Dalits which
was Harijan (children of god), but never said which god.
Gandhi asked them to rebel against those who literally supported
them. He never identified their enemy. He turned British
and missionaries (who were their friends) into their enemies.
He sided and glorified the very religion (Brahminism) that
made them Dalits.
You practice what I call
"deep contextualization", you literally "inject"
yourself into complex sociological settings (similar to
how a virus works) and then wait and watch to see where
you end up relationally and influentially. How did you learn
how to do this? Who taught you? What prompted you to stop
"watching from the sidelines" and dive into the
game of connecting?
Great analogy! I can't claim any instruction but the Holy
Spirit's leading. Often, it took me a longer time than it
should have to obey because I was scared of 'Big Brother'
meaning the Christian world who often accused me
of synchronization, which wasn't the case at all. It is
redeeming what is already present in the life and culture
of this nation. Don Richardson's book, Eternity
in Their Hearts, had a great influence on my thinking.
Actually, we view it as we are simply meeting Christ where
He has already been and continues to be. He is inviting
us there; that makes the work so much easier. We are
not converting people; Christ is converting us every day.
My journey began and I became a Truth seeker when I met
Christ. Since that day, no day is boring.
I met a Sikh man at the
Ravidas street celebration you took me to. This man had
become a Christian through associating with Truth Seekers.
He told me that it took him 3 years to become "spiritualized",
meaning become a follower of Jesus. What is the process
he went through to become "spiritualized"?
Mr. Than Singh Josh became a follower of Christ before
he actually knew it. He was culturally a Sikh
(learner or disciple). Spiritually, he was an atheist. Politically,
he was a socialist. He started coming to our Truthseekers
fellowship meetings. Then he started speaking about Jesus
as a social reformer. Then he started praying to Him and
the Lord answered him. Then, he started praying for others
in Jesus' name, and Lord answered those prayers too. Now,
many friends are interested when they used to make fun of
him. It was the Word, the fellowship of Truthseekers, and
answered prayers that brought him into a clearer understanding
of following Christ. But he tells me now, that his father
told him before dying that if Christians would have come
first in his life, he would have become a Christian. Instead,
Sikhs came so he had a chance to renounce his caste in this
way, so he did. He was a farmer and a hardworking man. Maybe
he is in heaven....who knows? But his father's words also
had a hand in his conversion.
Why did you tell him to
remain a Sikh after committing his life to Christ? Can you
think of any "dynamic equivalents" of how this
process would look in the States? In other words - In our
stateside approach to "getting people saved" are
we too linear, too uptight and if so what would it look
like if we did it the Truth Seekers way?
The term Sikh means 'learner or disciple' never to become
a guru which is your downfall. It’s easy enough to
equate that with becoming a humble follower of Jesus Christ.
Your turban doesn't matter to Jesus...He is after our hearts.
So, culturally to remain a Sikh in his own community is
to his advantage and he becomes salt and light to his world
and people. This is what Jesus asks of us.
My best advice for the equivalent of this approach in the
States is not to have your own agenda for 'getting people
into church' and don't have any model other than Christ
to follow. No matter what, don't give up on people. Be there
for them whatever that means and love them anyway whether
or not they become Christian as we understand that term.
Don't have any program to make people Christians, but have
open homes, open lives, open communion, open discussions.
Pray unashamedly to Jesus and boldly ask Him to reveal Himself
as you go.
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